{"id":10776,"date":"2017-07-07T12:55:54","date_gmt":"2017-07-07T11:55:54","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/marvel7077.wpengine.com\/?p=10776"},"modified":"2020-11-05T11:21:26","modified_gmt":"2020-11-05T11:21:26","slug":"approach-product-management-bots","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/marvelapp.com\/blog\/approach-product-management-bots\/","title":{"rendered":"How to Approach Product Management for Bots"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"pageWrap pageWrap--s marginBottom-m paddingBottom-s c-slate lineHeight-l fontSize-l fontWeight-3 breakPointM-fontSize-xl breakPointM-lineHeight-xl\">In each entry in this \u201cconversation\u201d series, I talk to a designer\/product manager\/engineer on a topic. I want to make basic practical skills education transparent and free.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_6580\" style=\"width: 5194px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a class=\"link link--blue fontWeight-4\"href=\"https:\/\/marvel7077.wpengine.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/07\/1huN7zWB8hlSe_zHHYYQH0w.jpeg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-6580\" class=\"wp-image-6580 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/marvel7077.wpengine.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/07\/1huN7zWB8hlSe_zHHYYQH0w.jpeg\" width=\"5184\" height=\"3456\" title=\"\" alt=\"\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-6580\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Image credit: Javier Diaz<\/p><\/div>\n<p class=\"pageWrap pageWrap--s marginBottom-m paddingBottom-s c-slate lineHeight-l fontSize-l fontWeight-3 breakPointM-fontSize-xl breakPointM-lineHeight-xl\">Today I\u2019m talking to Veronica Belmont, a product manager at <a class=\"link link--blue fontWeight-4\"href=\"https:\/\/www.growbot.io\/\">Growbot<\/a>. Growbot helps you appreciate your colleagues and is specifically for teams which use Slack and Microsoft teams for communication. She joined as the first product manager and employee.<\/p>\n<h2 class=\"pageWrap pageWrap--s marginTop-xl marginBottom-l c-black lineHeight-xl fontSize-xl fontWeight-5 breakPointM-lineHeight-xxl breakPointM-fontSize-xxl\" style=\"margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;\">What is your role as a PM since it\u2019s such a small company?<\/h2>\n<p class=\"pageWrap pageWrap--s marginBottom-m paddingBottom-s c-slate lineHeight-l fontSize-l fontWeight-3 breakPointM-fontSize-xl breakPointM-lineHeight-xl\">Right now I primarily own the Microsoft Teams side of the product, though I also work on Slack features as well. I work a lot on the design of new features, develop the voice of the bot and also help to manage the roadmap. It\u2019s very hands on and a lot of fun.<\/p>\n<h2 class=\"pageWrap pageWrap--s marginTop-xl marginBottom-l c-black lineHeight-xl fontSize-xl fontWeight-5 breakPointM-lineHeight-xxl breakPointM-fontSize-xxl\" style=\"margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;\">How is developing a bot product different than a webapp or an app?<\/h2>\n<p class=\"pageWrap pageWrap--s marginBottom-m paddingBottom-s c-slate lineHeight-l fontSize-l fontWeight-3 breakPointM-fontSize-xl breakPointM-lineHeight-xl\">Working for a bot is a very different type of interaction than working for a webapp or an app. It\u2019s a space that\u2019s still developing and there\u2019s no standardized way of doing things. There are so many differences between tools, platforms, and design. This lack of standardization brings a whole set of challenges with it.<br \/>\nWe have to think about all the potential interactions a user could have with the bot and how those will play out. One of the unique things we face is that company cultures are very different place to place, so we have to think about all the ways that our bot could help to solve the issues they have.<\/p>\n<h2 class=\"pageWrap pageWrap--s marginTop-xl marginBottom-l c-black lineHeight-xl fontSize-xl fontWeight-5 breakPointM-lineHeight-xxl breakPointM-fontSize-xxl\" style=\"margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;\">What are the challenges in the bot space?<\/h2>\n<p class=\"pageWrap pageWrap--s marginBottom-m paddingBottom-s c-slate lineHeight-l fontSize-l fontWeight-3 breakPointM-fontSize-xl breakPointM-lineHeight-xl\">The biggest challenge is getting a user to understand how the bot works. Users come in with a lot of misconceptions about how bots are supposed to work and how they should interact with bots. That\u2019s one of the problems with the lack of design convention in the bot space is that people just want to speak to it naturally, which is totally understandable. However, that\u2019s not how every bot\u00a0works.<br \/>\nIt\u2019s the bot designers job when they are onboarding the user to convey how the bot works, what it\u2019s going to accomplish, and what you need to do to get it to do the things you want to do.<\/p>\n<p class=\"pageWrap pageWrap--s marginBottom-m paddingBottom-s c-slate lineHeight-l fontSize-l fontWeight-3 breakPointM-fontSize-xl breakPointM-lineHeight-xl\">The other thing is that it\u2019s completely different from platform to platform as well. A Facebook messenger bot is completely different from a bot in iOS or a bot in Slack or Kik. All the platforms have different functionality. They all have different feature sets or capabilities. It\u2019s up to the job of the designers, PMs, and engineers to figure out how they can get the most out of it.<\/p>\n<h2 class=\"pageWrap pageWrap--s marginTop-xl marginBottom-l c-black lineHeight-xl fontSize-xl fontWeight-5 breakPointM-lineHeight-xxl breakPointM-fontSize-xxl\" style=\"margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;\">How do you set expectations about what the bot can do?<\/h2>\n<p class=\"pageWrap pageWrap--s marginBottom-m paddingBottom-s c-slate lineHeight-l fontSize-l fontWeight-3 breakPointM-fontSize-xl breakPointM-lineHeight-xl\">You want to strike that balance of giving them enough information but also getting them into the product to use it as quickly as possible, because there are so many opportunities for them to drop off and churn. So it\u2019s basically looking at the data and figuring out what the successful teams are doing and trying to mimic that with our new teams. We are constantly trying to redo our onboarding process and figure out where the drop offs are and refining it as much as possible.<\/p>\n<p class=\"pageWrap pageWrap--s marginBottom-m paddingBottom-s c-slate lineHeight-l fontSize-l fontWeight-3 breakPointM-fontSize-xl breakPointM-lineHeight-xl\">Just think about how you use software, or a web app. If you can\u2019t figure out how to make it do what you need to in a very short amount of time, you\u2019re out of there and on to the next product. The window of opportunity is very small. Especially in our case the way our bot gets adopted is a very bottoms-up approach. Our buyer persona is ultimately HR but usually they are convinced by an internal team using it. If the VP or CTO at a company decides they need a recognition tool, and that Growbot is the one they want to use, that\u2019s awesome. But it\u2019s typically the engineering teams, or the customer support teams, that are really driving the engagement.<\/p>\n<h2 class=\"pageWrap pageWrap--s marginTop-xl marginBottom-l c-black lineHeight-xl fontSize-xl fontWeight-5 breakPointM-lineHeight-xxl breakPointM-fontSize-xxl\" style=\"margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;\">Could you show me how onboarding in your product has evolved?<\/h2>\n<p class=\"pageWrap pageWrap--s marginBottom-m paddingBottom-s c-slate lineHeight-l fontSize-l fontWeight-3 breakPointM-fontSize-xl breakPointM-lineHeight-xl\">Sure! This is our old onboarding and below is how it\u2019s evolved today. What we have changed currently is helping them make us part of channels and also adopting it effectively in their company.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_6580\" style=\"width: 1255px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a class=\"link link--blue fontWeight-4\"href=\"https:\/\/marvel7077.wpengine.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/07\/1RvAahbOLUrOkhVyH7vWB-Q.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-6580\" class=\"wp-image-6580 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/marvel7077.wpengine.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/07\/1RvAahbOLUrOkhVyH7vWB-Q.png\" width=\"1245\" height=\"250\" title=\"\" alt=\"\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-6580\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">This is the newest version:<\/p><\/div>\n<p class=\"pageWrap pageWrap--s marginBottom-m paddingBottom-s c-slate lineHeight-l fontSize-l fontWeight-3 breakPointM-fontSize-xl breakPointM-lineHeight-xl\"><\/p>\n<p class=\"pageWrap pageWrap--s marginBottom-m paddingBottom-s c-slate lineHeight-l fontSize-l fontWeight-3 breakPointM-fontSize-xl breakPointM-lineHeight-xl\"><a class=\"link link--blue fontWeight-4\"href=\"https:\/\/marvel7077.wpengine.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/07\/1KA8yIE-AlhHcUWdGFZoEdQ.png\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6580\" src=\"https:\/\/marvel7077.wpengine.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/07\/1KA8yIE-AlhHcUWdGFZoEdQ.png\" title=\"\" alt=\"\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<h2 class=\"pageWrap pageWrap--s marginTop-xl marginBottom-l c-black lineHeight-xl fontSize-xl fontWeight-5 breakPointM-lineHeight-xxl breakPointM-fontSize-xxl\" style=\"margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;\">What are the metrics you measure?<\/h2>\n<p class=\"pageWrap pageWrap--s marginBottom-m paddingBottom-s c-slate lineHeight-l fontSize-l fontWeight-3 breakPointM-fontSize-xl breakPointM-lineHeight-xl\">We primarily look at engagement in DAU\u2019s and MAU\u2019s. In our case specifically props\/ kudos given and reactions added.<\/p>\n<h2 class=\"pageWrap pageWrap--s marginTop-xl marginBottom-l c-black lineHeight-xl fontSize-xl fontWeight-5 breakPointM-lineHeight-xxl breakPointM-fontSize-xxl\" style=\"margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;\">How do you think about retention so the user doesn\u2019t forget about you?<\/h2>\n<p class=\"pageWrap pageWrap--s marginBottom-m paddingBottom-s c-slate lineHeight-l fontSize-l fontWeight-3 breakPointM-fontSize-xl breakPointM-lineHeight-xl\">Striking the right balance for messages is challenging. We want to keep users engaged, while also not driving them insane! Giving them the option to mute certain messages and notifications is key.<\/p>\n<p class=\"pageWrap pageWrap--s marginBottom-m paddingBottom-s c-slate lineHeight-l fontSize-l fontWeight-3 breakPointM-fontSize-xl breakPointM-lineHeight-xl\"><\/p>\n<p class=\"pageWrap pageWrap--s marginBottom-m paddingBottom-s c-slate lineHeight-l fontSize-l fontWeight-3 breakPointM-fontSize-xl breakPointM-lineHeight-xl\"><a class=\"link link--blue fontWeight-4\"href=\"https:\/\/marvel7077.wpengine.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/07\/0-4yXmwpTGov_81TPq.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-10790\" src=\"https:\/\/marvel7077.wpengine.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/07\/0-4yXmwpTGov_81TPq.png\" alt=\"0-4yxmwptgov_81tpq\" width=\"800\" height=\"315\" srcset=\"https:\/\/marvelapp.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/07\/0-4yXmwpTGov_81TPq.png 800w, https:\/\/marvelapp.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/07\/0-4yXmwpTGov_81TPq-600x236.png 600w, https:\/\/marvelapp.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/07\/0-4yXmwpTGov_81TPq-768x302.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"pageWrap pageWrap--s marginBottom-m paddingBottom-s c-slate lineHeight-l fontSize-l fontWeight-3 breakPointM-fontSize-xl breakPointM-lineHeight-xl\"><a><img class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6580\" title=\"\" alt=\"\" \/><\/a>Right now we have 10 min and 24 hours recaps. Essentially, you\u2019ll get these recaps when you send and receive kudos so you know who has interacted with them (and how much).<\/p>\n<p class=\"pageWrap pageWrap--s marginBottom-m paddingBottom-s c-slate lineHeight-l fontSize-l fontWeight-3 breakPointM-fontSize-xl breakPointM-lineHeight-xl\">We also have weekly channel recaps, which the user can set on and off. These highlight the most popular kudos that have been sent, and give users an opportunity to interact with them again if they missed them the first time around!<\/p>\n<p class=\"pageWrap pageWrap--s marginBottom-m paddingBottom-s c-slate lineHeight-l fontSize-l fontWeight-3 breakPointM-fontSize-xl breakPointM-lineHeight-xl\">We definitely want to do a lot of customization features because cultures differ vastly from team to team. We also have a feature called Growbot Lite, which is a very quiet version of the bot. That still does all the tallying?\u2014?it just doesn\u2019t post any messages in the channel and it doesn\u2019t do any channel recaps. It\u2019s just a very quiet way of gathering the data so people can use and access it, but not have to interact with the bot quite so much. Obviously, we don\u2019t really want people to turn that on, but if it works for them and they are using it then that\u2019s good. We have some super engaged teams that have lite turned on because that\u2019s just how the their culture works.<\/p>\n<h2 class=\"pageWrap pageWrap--s marginTop-xl marginBottom-l c-black lineHeight-xl fontSize-xl fontWeight-5 breakPointM-lineHeight-xxl breakPointM-fontSize-xxl\" style=\"margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;\">What tools\/ software do you use to prototype the design and interfaces?<\/h2>\n<p class=\"pageWrap pageWrap--s marginBottom-m paddingBottom-s c-slate lineHeight-l fontSize-l fontWeight-3 breakPointM-fontSize-xl breakPointM-lineHeight-xl\">There are a lot of tools that are helping bot creators figure out <a class=\"link link--blue fontWeight-4\"href=\"https:\/\/marvelapp.com\/blog\/principles-of-conversational-design\/\">conversational design<\/a>. One of them is called <a class=\"link link--blue fontWeight-4\"href=\"https:\/\/walkiebot.co\/\">Walkie<\/a>, and it\u2019s my favorite for Slack. It allows you to create conversational flows from a bot and user perspective. And we use Sketch as well for design too, especially since there isn\u2019t a Walkie equivalent for Microsoft Teams (yet)!<\/p>\n<h2 class=\"pageWrap pageWrap--s marginTop-xl marginBottom-l c-black lineHeight-xl fontSize-xl fontWeight-5 breakPointM-lineHeight-xxl breakPointM-fontSize-xxl\" style=\"margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;\">How do you think of the bot voice and tone?<\/h2>\n<p class=\"pageWrap pageWrap--s marginBottom-m paddingBottom-s c-slate lineHeight-l fontSize-l fontWeight-3 breakPointM-fontSize-xl breakPointM-lineHeight-xl\">We are still working on finding a very cohesive voice. The first thing I did when I joined was to create a written style guide for the bot which has examples of how the bot will respond to things, what tone it will use, and what adjectives describe the bot.. It\u2019s important to have a consistent voice so users know what to expect.<\/p>\n<h2 class=\"pageWrap pageWrap--s marginTop-xl marginBottom-l c-black lineHeight-xl fontSize-xl fontWeight-5 breakPointM-lineHeight-xxl breakPointM-fontSize-xxl\" style=\"margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;\">How are Microsoft Teams and Slack different?<\/h2>\n<h2 class=\"pageWrap pageWrap--s marginTop-xl marginBottom-l c-black lineHeight-xl fontSize-xl fontWeight-5 breakPointM-lineHeight-xxl breakPointM-fontSize-xxl\" style=\"margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;\"><a class=\"link link--blue fontWeight-4\"href=\"https:\/\/marvel7077.wpengine.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/07\/0-yAxsp1C8LJEoyuWu.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-10791\" src=\"https:\/\/marvel7077.wpengine.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/07\/0-yAxsp1C8LJEoyuWu.png\" alt=\"0-yaxsp1c8ljeoyuwu\" width=\"800\" height=\"641\" srcset=\"https:\/\/marvelapp.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/07\/0-yAxsp1C8LJEoyuWu.png 800w, https:\/\/marvelapp.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/07\/0-yAxsp1C8LJEoyuWu-600x481.png 600w, https:\/\/marvelapp.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/07\/0-yAxsp1C8LJEoyuWu-768x615.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\" \/><\/a><\/h2>\n<p class=\"pageWrap pageWrap--s marginBottom-m paddingBottom-s c-slate lineHeight-l fontSize-l fontWeight-3 breakPointM-fontSize-xl breakPointM-lineHeight-xl\"><a class=\"link link--blue fontWeight-4\"href=\"https:\/\/marvel7077.wpengine.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/07\/0-Mm0_Pd0NXBMLq8Dc.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-10792\" src=\"https:\/\/marvel7077.wpengine.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/07\/0-Mm0_Pd0NXBMLq8Dc.png\" alt=\"0-mm0_pd0nxbmlq8dc\" width=\"800\" height=\"593\" srcset=\"https:\/\/marvelapp.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/07\/0-Mm0_Pd0NXBMLq8Dc.png 800w, https:\/\/marvelapp.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/07\/0-Mm0_Pd0NXBMLq8Dc-600x445.png 600w, https:\/\/marvelapp.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/07\/0-Mm0_Pd0NXBMLq8Dc-768x569.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<h2 class=\"pageWrap pageWrap--s marginTop-xl marginBottom-l c-black lineHeight-xl fontSize-xl fontWeight-5 breakPointM-lineHeight-xxl breakPointM-fontSize-xxl\" style=\"margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;\"><a><img class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-6580\" title=\"\" alt=\"\" \/><\/a><a>They are extremely different platforms. Right now Microsoft Teams is still very young, so there is a lot we can\u2019t do yet.<\/a><\/h2>\n<p class=\"pageWrap pageWrap--s marginBottom-m paddingBottom-s c-slate lineHeight-l fontSize-l fontWeight-3 breakPointM-fontSize-xl breakPointM-lineHeight-xl\">The biggest difference is that you have to mention the bot in order for us to pick it up in Teams. We aren\u2019t able to scan for keywords in the same that we can in Slack. That\u2019s a little thing which could potentially hurt engagement a lot because people have to think about one more thing in order to get the bot to interact. The other biggest difference is the lack of emoji reactions, which are pretty integral to our design. But they have a lot of nice features too, like the ability to have tabs for your bot, which I can use to post Release Notes and other product updates.<\/p>\n<h2 class=\"pageWrap pageWrap--s marginTop-xl marginBottom-l c-black lineHeight-xl fontSize-xl fontWeight-5 breakPointM-lineHeight-xxl breakPointM-fontSize-xxl\" style=\"margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;\">How do you iterate and get feedback from customers?<\/h2>\n<p class=\"pageWrap pageWrap--s marginBottom-m paddingBottom-s c-slate lineHeight-l fontSize-l fontWeight-3 breakPointM-fontSize-xl breakPointM-lineHeight-xl\">Every conversation with customers is valuable. It\u2019s really about what they are asking for and seeing if that is what other teams are asking for as well.<\/p>\n<p class=\"pageWrap pageWrap--s marginBottom-m paddingBottom-s c-slate lineHeight-l fontSize-l fontWeight-3 breakPointM-fontSize-xl breakPointM-lineHeight-xl\">Personally, it took me a long time getting comfortable asking people for feedback. And this is coming from an extrovert who has spent the last ten years interviewing people about all sorts of stuff! Maybe I take it more personally now. The role of product is to take feedback and to turn it into something constructive. It\u2019s hard especially when you are talking about features which you worked so hard and built and launched and worked on with your team. It can be challenging.<\/p>\n<p class=\"pageWrap pageWrap--s marginBottom-m paddingBottom-s c-slate lineHeight-l fontSize-l fontWeight-3 breakPointM-fontSize-xl breakPointM-lineHeight-xl\">There\u2019s one feature that I\u2019ll definitely mourn \u2014 GIF Thanks. Our CTO came up with the idea, and I absolutely loved it. Essentially, you could send an animated gif to someone after you received kudos from them. It would show up as a message in a thread. However, no one was using it! We switched it to a simple text-based \u201cthank you\u201d and it worked much better. It\u2019s a good lesson that no matter how cool you think a feature is, it might not fit in with the way people like to use (or expect to use) your product. We still use it on our company Slack team though!<\/p>\n<p class=\"pageWrap pageWrap--s marginBottom-m paddingBottom-s c-slate lineHeight-l fontSize-l fontWeight-3 breakPointM-fontSize-xl breakPointM-lineHeight-xl\"><em>This post was originally published on <a class=\"link link--blue fontWeight-4\"href=\"https:\/\/medium.com\/flowcap\/how-to-approach-product-management-for-bots-815d072014b\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Romy's Medium profile<\/a>. <\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In each entry in this \u201cconversation\u201d series, I talk to a designer\/product manager\/engineer on a topic. I want to make basic practical skills education transparent and free. Today I\u2019m talking to Veronica Belmont, a product manager at Growbot. 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